The manner in which Pai Gow Poker will be dealt is at the discretion of the Chickasaw Nation. All decks of cards used in play will be a standard “52” card deck plus a single joker. Foreign cheques, coins, currency, etc. Will not be accepted.
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Fwiw, and I have not done the math, I think the EV on the last hand listed would always be maximized by putting A-joker in the top hand and trip deuces in the bottom, so I don't think it would be correct to hold this no matter how the Joker completes the flush. I could be wrong.
You are correct. I should not have chosen the pair of twos for the top hand. When I change one of those 2s to a 3 -so the top hand is 32, I get the same result when quoted to 4 digits.
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This was about five years ago. Wizard, I'd love to hear any updates if you get any, and I'm sure others would too.
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He added that some casinos have treated it as a 'blank' card, which I think PGD asked about in the original post. In other words, a value less than 2. For example,
Suited A975-joker would lose to suited A9752, because the joker either has no rank or is ranked lower than 2, however you wish to look at it.
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He added that some casinos have treated it as a 'blank' card, which I think PGD asked about in the original post. In other words, a value less than 2. For example,
Suited A975-joker would lose to suited A9752, because the joker either has no rank or is ranked lower than 2, however you wish to look at it.
In that case, 4567-joker suited would not be a straight flush.
1) Standard poker rankings. Yes, in 'anything's wild' game there is such a thing as 5 of a kind. Still, there is standard poker rankings, which do not include duplicating a card, such that you can not have a 'double ace high' flush.
2) The joker takes the value of a card, whenever it's played. Ace when not being used in a straight or flush. When in a straight, it's a very specific rank. I don't see why that wouldn't be the same case for a flush, especially considering a straight flush as IBYA pointed out above. 4h-5h-6h-7h-Joker. The joker becomes either the 3h or 8h, which again specifically has a rank.
3) As row pointed out, the dealers 'slot' the cards from highest to lowest rank. I'd be willing to bet when this dealer set the hand, it went: 'Ah, Kh, Joker, x, x' putting the Kh before the joker. While I've never had to deal with this situation before, I have seen every dealer with a joker place it in a ranking position of 'next available.'
I wonder if we'd all be arguing for the player had this hand been the other way around and the player had won? =) I know I would argue the same, because the idea of your final 5 card poker hand being Ah-Ah is just stupid for the game of poker.
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In that case, 4567-joker suited would not be a straight flush.
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I should have been more clear. It can substitute for a specific card to complete a straight or straight flush. If used to complete a flush, it has no rank.
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Bobby:
Below, I copied and pasted the email you sent to the Washington State Gambling Commission. What casino did this incident happen in?
Thanks,
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Washington State Gambling Commission
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Hi
We are currently discussing a recently a disputed pai gow poker hand in Washington. Here is a quote from the thread that explains it.
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Dealer: Ah, Kh, 8h, 6h, joker ( where h=hearts)
Player: As, Ks, Qs, Js, 2s (where s=spades)
The player argued he won the comparison, because the dealer's joker would substitute for the highest available heart not already used in the dealer's high hand, which would be the queen. So, the player's AKQJ2 would beat the dealer's AKQ86.
However, the casino argued that the joker substituted for another ace of hearts, giving the win to the dealer. I was told every dealer in the casino agreed with that ruling. In other words, the dealer had an AAK86 flush, which beats a AKQJ2 flush.
What is supposed to happen in this situation?”
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/7784-joker-in-pai-gow-poker-a-card-or-just-a-connector/4/#post609901
We would like an official gaming commission response if possible.
Thanks
Adam 'Bobby' Cohen aka miplet
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If you want to reply in the thread that would be awesome, otherwise I’d like permission to quote your response.
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Pai Gow Poker is also referred to as the Double Hand Poker and it is an American variant of Pai Gow and this is because it is played with cards with values of poker and not the Chinese Pai Gow dominoes. This game is a development of Sam Torosian in 1985 who owned Bell card Club. You play the game with a standard deck of 52 cards and a joker. The game is played by six players and the dealer. The object of this game is to have a better hand than the banker.
The player is required to come up with two poker hands from the seven card hand they are dealt. These hands need to beat the hand of the dealer. The five-card hand needs to be better than the two-card hand. This is the reason the two card hand is referred to as the in front hand or the top, small, low, minor or the hair hand. As for the five card hand, it is referred to as the bottom, high, big or the behindhand.
The Deal
For the game to start, the cards are shuffled and are dealt on the table in piles of seven face-down. Without consideration of the number of players in the game, four cards are not used. Betting positions have numbers assigned from one to seven and the numbering starts from the player acting as the banker and continue counter-clockwise around the table. The betting positions are determined at random through a software or manually with a dice and the deal will start with the corresponding position and continue counterclockwise. A common way that’s used to determine the starting number will be rolling three dice and count the betting spaces clockwise from the first spot to the number the dice landed.
When there is no punter sitting on the spot, the hand is still assigned but it is placed on the discard pile along with the four unused cards. In some casinos, you will find that an additional dragon hand is dealt when a seat is vacant. After the punter sets their original hand, they will be asked to place an additional bet at their will for them to take part in the dragon hand. The bet on the dragon hand is usually the table minimum to as much as the amount the punter bets on the original hand. The first punter who will accept the dragon hand will receive it and they will be playing with two separate hands.
With the dragon hand, the rules will vary from one casino to the other but the dealer will turn over the dragon hand and set it according to their casino’s tradition. This happens because the punter will have seen the seven cards from their initial hand and this will affect how the dragon hand will be seen.
Taking Even Money is the same thing as taking Insurance, except it’s called something different, because the player has Blackjack. The bonus that the player would get paid for Blackjack is the same amount needed to take Insurance; that’s why the player only gets paid even money. If the dealer didn’t have a blackjack, then the player would lose the Insurance bet.If the player has a Blackjack and the dealer is asking for Insurance, then the player has the option of taking Even Money. How old to be a blackjack dealer. Players do this because it is a sure payoff.
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